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One of The 7 Essential Questions of Every Beta.

This one is pretty straightforward. Solicit contributions, throw out ideas, post preliminary (or finished) designs, and be supportive and respectful of other people’s ideas and creativity.

We have designers on staff to come up with site designs but, if an idea stemming from the community stands out as exceptional, we are happy to use it.

  • One suggestion per answer please, for voting purposes.

Logo guidance, from Jin (resident UI designer for at least some of the Stack Exchange sites):

Please note: I prefer gray-scaled logo submissions, that way we can judge the IDEA of the logo more objectively. We can always add colors to the logo later. Also, the logo itself(sans the site title text) should be able to fit in a square dimension nicely. This way we can use it for favicons, mobile touch icons etc.

  • Should we have other questions opened, in case people only have ideas about parts of the design, or are such answers suitable here? – Anthony Labarre May 9 '11 at 18:04
  • @Anthony: Such answers are suitable here, this is a discussion asking for contributions, ideas and preliminary/full designs. If things really become to busy moderators could still split the question into two, but this hasn't really been a problem on communities so far... – Tamara Wijsman May 9 '11 at 18:22

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Another version with points d'orgue courts (short fermatas)

With short fermatas

The disadvantage as this symbol is rarer, is that is looks less clearly "music notation" than usual fermatas.

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    On the other hand, it takes learning to know what it is. So it gives an expert feel... :) – Tamara Wijsman May 16 '11 at 13:10
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    This is great, it conveys the up/down idea well. – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 15:47
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    I like this one too. We need to think about a version once clicked too, would a gray fill or another color do? – Tamara Wijsman May 18 '11 at 14:01
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    Very clever - I like it. – Kevin Yap May 25 '11 at 19:09
  • I think this is the best look for arrows that have been proposed here, and although it might not be the best known musical symbols, I think the style of it will look good in a music theme design. – awe Sep 11 '12 at 8:23
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Of course there is something like that:

up/down accidentals

but it is difficult to balance graphically and it would need another clue (probably wedge shaped) to better mark when you have clicked up or down.

EDIT: I have used modern music quarter accidentals which have little arrows:

up/down accidentals with arrows

What is your opinion?

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    This is cute but I think it's too confusing. – Sophie Alpert May 15 '11 at 23:09
  • @BenAlpert: With some pixel pushing or the right images for them it might work, but it's indeed a bit confusing so perhaps something like fermatas works out better... – Tamara Wijsman May 16 '11 at 12:20
  • Very cool, but I think after the initial "that's awesome" it would look off, it's too asymetric. – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 15:36
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    How about putting those accidentals inside wedges as you first suggested? – Anthony Labarre May 16 '11 at 18:06
  • Although I do think that arrows are absolutely required for this to work, I think the second version with embedded arrows are much less clear. How about just putting an arrow right besides the sign, e.g. |# and |b with | being an up/down arrow. – hlovdal Oct 26 '14 at 12:02
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    I think accidentals inside wedges would cater to people with different levels of musical knowledge and be slightly educational also. – Todd Wilcox Sep 11 '15 at 17:34
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Side logo propositions

Main title police is Zapfino

a)

Logo with G clef Zapfino


b)

variant with the name not filling all the bar: (the empty space can be used for various graphic elements and symbols)

Smaller name


c) variant with a different length for the two texts

Another variant


d) a variant of a) with uniform category font + musical dots

Full font + notes


e) a variant of d) by Matthew

Full font + notes


f) inspired by Matthew Read's but with a little BETA to remind us we are just playing that game with a site less than a month old.

Beta logo

g) A Meta-variation

Meta variation

  • Zapfino isn't a free font though, I wonder if we are allowed to use it? Do the categories cover everything? Solely the Clef and the Note Bar could fit in the square site icon. I'm using the first version in an upcoming draft I'm working on now just to get an idea, I was first mentioning in my first deleted comment that it wouldn't work on a colored background but I'm taking my words back... :) – Tamara Wijsman May 16 '11 at 15:34
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    I like (a). I'd make the subtitle all the same font, though. – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 15:37
  • @Tom: Zapfino is not free but there are certainly close equivalents that could be used instead. It is just a rough concept. About categories, it does not cover everything (notably not instrument making and maintenance). Another thing that is lacking, is that the G-clef and the 5-bar stave are overused signals of traditional classical music. As a violist, the C-clef would make me feel more at home, and it might miss the idea that all music traditions (including those not written or notated) are welcome. – ogerard May 16 '11 at 15:40
  • @Matthew, you might like d). – ogerard May 16 '11 at 16:25
  • @ogerard Very cool. The staffs throw it off a little bit for me. What about something like (excuse the bad quick-edit) this? – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 16:50
  • Very nice, I had this in mind but you made it come true ;-) My favourite so far is a), I think it's best to have both the staff and the text below it cover the same length. – Anthony Labarre May 16 '11 at 18:09
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    Haha, (g), is amazing. I don't believe we'll get a logo while still in beta, though, so that part's OK to leave off. – Matthew Read May 17 '11 at 15:24
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    Nice! About fonts, I'd appreciate a font that is usually seen in music sheets. For example the usual title font in The Real Book (I believe most notation programs have it in jazz style), or if there is a standard font for writing tempi and the like. – Gauthier May 18 '11 at 8:18
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    I like this idea, but not the execution, and looking at it I can only deduce that it's the font that is the problem. It looks like "Musicians" is moving up and down over the baseline, and it makes me seasick. :-) Also, the not filling the bar version is better, gives more space and breathing room. – Lennart Regebro May 27 '11 at 6:59
  • @Matthew: User Experience is an examle of a site with applied logo and design that are still in beta, so this is not unheard of... – awe Jun 23 '11 at 7:59
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    I'm a fan of (f), beta or no. I love the subtlety of the stemless quarter note dotting the i. It's just enough to notice, but not stand out like the eighth note version does. Regarding the font, two points: 1) I know nothing about font licensing or use rights, but it seems strange to me to think that a graphic designer who purchased a font would not be allowed to use that font in his designs. How then could the font be used. 2) I agree that it is a bit too bouncy. I like the idea of the Jazz font, but on the other hand I'd likely lose that stemless quarter note dotted i that I like so much. – gilly3 Jun 27 '11 at 16:11
  • I like (f) too, although I would prefer a bit more whitespace like in (b). The M at the beginning is very loose and open, so it needs a little space on the right to balance that. – Bradd Szonye May 5 '14 at 23:21
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    Using a different clef on main and meta is an awesome idea. – TRiG Dec 2 '14 at 11:34
  • I like E. And G is definitely great. – Josiah Jun 22 '15 at 20:11
  • My favorite is (a). I actually like having three different fonts for "Theory - Practice - Performance". – Todd Wilcox Sep 11 '15 at 17:38
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Using eighth rests (demi-soupirs) :

Up and Down with eighth rests

I think this can be quite elegant.

Following remarks here is a longer variant:

Up and Down with longer rests

And still another version with a different pairing which can be less distracting:

Up and Down Counter axis

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    Neat idea, though I find the curly bits distracting. – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 15:38
  • @Matthew: Right. by using larger rests they can be less noticeable. – ogerard May 16 '11 at 15:43
  • this create some kind of illusion haha.. doesn't immediately looks like an arrow – Sufendy May 18 '11 at 7:54
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    I like the third proposal (different pairing which can be less distracting). – Gauthier May 18 '11 at 10:47
  • The third version is great! – Matthew Read May 18 '11 at 13:10
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    I like the last one. We need to think about a version once clicked too, would a gray/colored fill do? – Tamara Wijsman May 18 '11 at 13:59
  • I like the last one too. – Eric May 28 '11 at 11:52
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A suggestion for the votes using fermatas:

enter image description here

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    Looks nice, but I wonder if there are any musical elements that show up and down rather than a pause. Perhaps notes that have their bars going up and down? – Tamara Wijsman May 9 '11 at 21:44
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    Hm, I like the symmetric aspects of fermatas and rests, which would be lost with notes -- also a reason why I refrained from using accidentals, but I'd be curious to see if anyone can come up with a good looking thing based on those. – Anthony Labarre May 9 '11 at 21:48
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    Why not accents? – Michael May 13 '11 at 18:37
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    Neat idea, but to me they really look like embellishments around the number rather than buttons. Kind of confusing. – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 15:40
  • I immediately took them to mean arrows. – Stan Shunpike Sep 10 '15 at 18:56
  • This is my second favorite after sharps and flats inside wedges. – Todd Wilcox Sep 11 '15 at 17:39
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Site proposal

Font for logo and links on note-line is "Monotype Corsiva".
Font for all other headings and texts is "Lucida Sans Unicode".

All Questions

  • One issue with the color. As far as readability goes, the inbox on the upper-left doesn't stand out at all from the green. Also the gold on the green does not have enough color difference. The highlighted tab "Questions" is not dark enough either. This page will give you the readability statistics if you input the colors' hex numbers. – American Luke Sep 21 '12 at 23:14
  • I agree. Be free to propose a better color theme for this. I have not proposed this as "an absolute" to use this "as is", but a proposal for a theme that can be used as a starting point for a final design. Colors are perhaps not my strongest side ;) – awe Sep 26 '12 at 10:14
  • I would prefer whole notes being used for badges as opposed to eighth notes. I think the shape of a whole note makes more sense for badges. – Dom May 5 '14 at 12:44
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    I actually like the eighth-note badges, and I really like the way the musical staff runs through the entire “menu” bar. I would prefer a treble clef to the lyre symbol, but otherwise this looks cool. – Bradd Szonye May 5 '14 at 23:15
  • @Dom: I agree that the badges as eight notes might not be the best, but I also think that just using whole note might look a bit out of place. Maybe it would be better using medals. From a musician perspective, it is a good tradition for medals in the marching bands! – awe May 6 '14 at 9:49
  • Nice, just please: No Lucida Cursive. It's much more used that it deserves. (I mean, not a bad font, but a bad font to be used too much.) – yo' Jan 30 '15 at 16:19
  • I like the badges a lot - hadn't considered styling them. Maybe in addition to the color the note value would change (gold quarter, silver eighth, bronze sixteenth) – Josiah Jun 22 '15 at 20:13
  • I like the colors, love the staff, and double love the gold, silver, bronze 8th notes. – Todd Wilcox Sep 11 '15 at 17:40
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I've put together a draft for the title text. The staff can be continued across the top of the page or it can stop at the bar. I think simpler is better when it comes to UI.

Music SE title

(looking at the voting for the new name I assumed Music: Theory and Practice might win although I prefer simply Musicians.. I can change the text/font around easily).

As for the actual logo I think a simple treble clef would do nicely (this coming from a bass player). It's instantly recognizable and would work well even in the tiny size needed for mobile/favicon functionality (see the menu at the top of the page listing all the SE sites..you need a icon that can work even when very small).

enter image description here

  • Although I agree that the treble clef is best for a general music icon, I do not agree that it works well for small icons. The favicon in the title on a browser is in size 16 x 16 pixels, and if you shrink that to 16 pixels high it becomes extremely tiny. Your example is 41 pixels high. easyicon.net/language.en/567313-Treble_Clef_icon.html iconfinder.com/icons/190241/… – awe Jun 23 '15 at 9:18
  • I think it would look better without the sheet music lines – Stan Shunpike Sep 10 '15 at 18:50
  • @awe It looks like they don't use different favicons for the various Stack Exchange sites. There aren't any favicons showing up on my browser for any of the SE sites. What I meant were the logos in the drop down SE menu on the top of every page, and I think they're big enough for a treble clef to be recognizable. It's a good image for us in that even non-musicians can easily identify it. It almost works 16x16, so anything larger like in the drop down should be fine: veryicon.com/icon/16/System/Android%201/… (not that anyone seems to care about this anymore) – Charles Sep 11 '15 at 21:03
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Logo proposal

256x256 

Different sizes for different use:

128x128 64x64 48x48 32x32 16x16  

In combination with title:

Font: "Monotype Corsiva"

Musicians Grayscale

 

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    What's the rationale? Is that a lyre? if so, where are the strings? – naught101 Sep 17 '12 at 4:25
  • The Lyre is often used as a general symbol in music relations. Note stands in the early days often had the back shaped as a lyre. Although this is maybe more common in relation to orchestras etc. The strings are just left out as a simplification. I have not designed this myself - I found it somewhere on the net... – awe Sep 17 '12 at 10:51
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    Feels a little esoteric to me, although the art itself is very nice. – Todd Wilcox Sep 11 '15 at 17:40
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A suggestion for the votes using rests:

enter image description here

  • Is it me or would they feel hard to click on? – Tamara Wijsman May 9 '11 at 21:43
  • They do look a bit stiff, if that's what you mean ;-) – Anthony Labarre May 9 '11 at 21:50
  • Well, perhaps they could be scaled or made a bit more high to work around the issue. – Tamara Wijsman May 9 '11 at 21:58
  • Not bad, but I don't think they would convey "vote up/down" to a new user. – Matthew Read May 16 '11 at 15:38
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I'm not a graphic designer but I have a couple of ideas that I hope you will like them.

The background in general is a music sheet written by the hand but close to be transparent, in order to ease the reading.

For the header, I imagine a picture of great composers and musicians for example: Mozart, Beethoven or Paganini.

The colors used in general for fonts or links are taken from real world instruments like a Piano, a violin or a Spanish guitar.

For rating control, a metronome contains the vote. To vote up you take the stick to the right and to vote down, you take the stick to the left.

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    +1 for music sheet as dimmed background. I'm not sure about the metronome as voting control. Interesting idea, and credit for thinking out of the box, but I don't think it will be natural to say that metronome to the right means upvote and to the left means downvote. The position of a metronome is neutral, and is not natural to use as symbol for votes. – awe Sep 21 '12 at 7:30
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Not a specific proposal, just an idea. Something along the lines of these:

enter image description here enter image description here enter image description here

I think something like this would capture the cerebral quality of a Q and A site, that the more purely musical proposals don't.

Obviously none of those images are useful as is, but something based on that concept could be. I might try to have a crack at it at some point. Unfortunately those images won't scale at all well to small icons, but something could be done that would include the same concepts and styles.

Plus, it just looks damn cool :)

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    All SE logos have simple designs. Things flying out peoples' heads is will become an eyesore. – American Luke Sep 19 '12 at 0:32
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    @Luke: I don't think it's inevitable that something based on this concept can't be simple. It would be one for the more complex logos, sure, but there are some reasonably complex logos, like for judaism.stackexchange.com and gaming.stackexchange.com. Also, this could just be something for the header, and not the logo - some sites have quite complex headers, like scifi.stackexchange.com. – naught101 Sep 19 '12 at 0:48
  • Perhaps. I still don't like the idea, but that's just my personal opinion. – American Luke Sep 19 '12 at 0:51
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How about:

Gauthier

  • Gauthier, I created the image for you. – ogerard May 18 '11 at 8:43
  • @ogerard: nice, thanks. – Gauthier May 18 '11 at 10:45
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    I prefer the #/b version myself. It of course suffers the same problems, but still: Very clever! – Matthew Read May 18 '11 at 13:12
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    @Matthew: one difference is that posts with higher score are better heard, just as forte. They don't have higher pitch :) I thought it'd be sad for bass players to associate lower register with lower score. – Gauthier May 18 '11 at 15:13
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    @Gauthier One could easily say that for the other, posts with more votes are raised and not having increased loudness :P – Matthew Read May 18 '11 at 15:20
  • i have no idea what is f and p!! – Sufendy May 19 '11 at 2:14
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    @Phelios: standard musical abbreviation for forte and piano meaning loud and quiet. – ogerard May 24 '11 at 16:10
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As for the voting, again I think simpler is better. Not everyone will know piano vs. forte or even sharp vs. flat. By using the accent symbol we get to sneak in some music notation but also make it instantly recognizable as up/down:

enter image description here

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Logo suggestion

logo with treble clef + guitar silhouette

A logo needs to be simple, instantly recognisable and preferably scale down well to small icon sizes. My suggestion is to combine a well known musical symbol like treble clef or a note in some variation plus one or two silhouettes of an easily recognisable musical instrument.

A note can both be associated with a music sheet as well as the sound from an instrument, while a treble clef is more strongly associated only with a music sheet and as such might represent "theory" while the instrument represents "practical performance".

Using two instruments will better imply that the site is not just about the instrument chosen if there is only one, but this makes scaling down much harder. My first thought was to use a trumpet for the instrument, but I did not find a suitable, free drawing to use so I went with a guitar instead.

The default scaling from the png file when used as favicon seems usable, and scaling down to low resolution icons (e.g. 16x16..48x48) should be possible.

screenshot of firefox showing the logo used as favicon

The logo is based on the following two images from openclipart.

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I submitted this in the tee-shirt thread, but here's my design for a logo:

enter image description here

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